tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post5969832106993656254..comments2023-08-25T06:17:03.644-07:00Comments on The High Mid Life: Contemporary Worship Apologetics: A Quick ObservationPastor Fienehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14701830939108213662noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-88115718491629368782012-10-23T13:31:56.272-07:002012-10-23T13:31:56.272-07:00I was going to mention "In Christ Alone"...I was going to mention "In Christ Alone" seeing as how that's the only CCM song I find acceptable. Granted, I have not heard many. Not all hymns are satisfactory either, but I refuse to listen to the garbage that is CCM today. Also, I just found your blog today and I quite like it.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11347882946718756761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-23198577777539872652012-10-17T18:53:17.669-07:002012-10-17T18:53:17.669-07:00How about all of these?
http://www.lcms.org/Docum...How about all of these?<br /><br />http://www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=342Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04095610562056891092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-60656222068081209112012-10-17T18:44:12.517-07:002012-10-17T18:44:12.517-07:00Nonetheless, shouldn't your analysis of "...Nonetheless, shouldn't your analysis of "When I Survey the Wondrous Cross" go a little more like this?:<br /><br />Who has saved you? From what has he saved you? These questions are not answered.<br />I'll give the song 10 points for mentioning the cross. But then I'll subtract 100 points for failing to say who that Someone is.<br />Aggregate score: -90.<br /><br />How is this old hymn more clear than "Who Am I"? Neither mentions Jesus by name, but both obviously refer to Jesus. Could it be you're analyzing the old hymn through a different pair of glasses?<br /><br />I'm glad you find "In Christ Alone" satisfactory.<br /><br />Yes, I mean the Starke hymn.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04095610562056891092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-48650082129899304152012-10-17T18:36:15.268-07:002012-10-17T18:36:15.268-07:00"Part," not "party.""Part," not "party."Pastor Fienehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14701830939108213662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-6352882607664443662012-10-17T18:31:28.854-07:002012-10-17T18:31:28.854-07:00Tim,
No, you've missed the point.. I asked f...Tim,<br /><br />No, you've missed the point.. I asked for an example of a good CONTEMPORARY Christian song. You gave me a 400 year old hymn, which is obviously not a party of the CCM genre.<br /><br />"In Christ Alone" is pretty good. By "The Tree of Life" do you mean the Starke hymn?Pastor Fienehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14701830939108213662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-87781623120727245962012-10-17T17:57:12.814-07:002012-10-17T17:57:12.814-07:00So you're defining CCM by age of lyrics alone?...So you're defining CCM by age of lyrics alone?<br /><br />How about "The Tree of Life" or "In Christ Alone"?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04095610562056891092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-39714111898934189322012-10-17T14:01:28.014-07:002012-10-17T14:01:28.014-07:00Tim,
Thanks for your examples. Here are my brief...Tim,<br /><br />Thanks for your examples. Here are my brief reviews:<br /><br />"Who Am I?"<br />No mention of Jesus. No mention of the Cross.<br /><br />Who has saved you? How has he saved you? From what has he saved you? These questions are not answered.<br /><br />I'll give the song 10 points for pointing the listener to someone outside of himself. But then I'll subtract 100 points for failing to say who that Someone is.<br /><br />Aggregate score: -90.<br /><br />"Jesus Messiah"<br /> <br />10 points for mentioning Jesus and the Cross explicitly. <br />-100 points for a refrain composed of sentence fragments (which causes the statements within that refrain to function more as mantras than creedally), then repeated 200x, a hallmark of eastern mystical religion and not Christianity. <br /><br />Aggregate score: -90.<br /><br />"The Wonderful Cross"<br /><br />This is not a CCM song. This is a 300 year old hymn by Isaac Watts with a new refrain that is not bad.Pastor Fienehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14701830939108213662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-80760016313116242302012-10-17T11:29:51.300-07:002012-10-17T11:29:51.300-07:00“Who Am I?” by Casting Crowns
http://www.lyricsbox...“Who Am I?” by Casting Crowns<br />http://www.lyricsbox.com/casting-crowns-lyrics-who-am-i-5rx6h3j.html<br /><br />“Jesus Messiah” by Chris Tomlin<br />http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/c/chris_tomlin/jesus_messiah.html<br /><br />“The Wonderful Cross” by Chris Tomlin<br />http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/christomlin/thewonderfulcross.html<br /><br />Here are just three examples (that’s more than the one you requested). Are you really going to tell me that these lyrics are all doctrinally weak, not focused on the cross, and not fit for worship?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04095610562056891092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-52699310743261968302012-10-16T17:15:22.495-07:002012-10-16T17:15:22.495-07:00Thank you so much for that clarification regarding...Thank you so much for that clarification regarding the minor premise. It's one thing to write off an entire genre as blasphemous and quite another to say that it generally doesn't contain great worship music despite the fact that exceptions are possible. These over-generalizations are poisoning this debate and clarifications are absolutely necessary for real progress.<br /><br />The dearth of good Lutheran CCM highlights what I see as the larger Lutheran problem these days--we're forced to choose between the tested alternatives that were as emotionally satisfying in their day as they are theologically sound but now require significant acclimation to appreciate, or non-Lutheran works which many people find intrinsically appealing but which were simply not created with Lutheran priorities in mind. I grew up with the classics and appreciate them aesthetically as well as theologically, but I realize that there are a lot of people out there who don't share my upbringing and who come to these songs with a grim "eat your broccoli" resolve that is simply not a necessary part of worship. It's a shame that they have to make the choice between music that moves them and music that nourishes them, and it's not fair that not everyone has to make this choice.Nicholas Tiemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02388130551234933963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-183399120970948505.post-22930460727023970472012-10-16T07:15:52.882-07:002012-10-16T07:15:52.882-07:00http://kipfox.com/storage/Thieves%20On%20A%20Cross...http://kipfox.com/storage/Thieves%20On%20A%20Cross_Lead.pdfPastor Sharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979023326739465973noreply@blogger.com