Sunday, August 26, 2012

A Latter Day Re-Gift Quotes

Since I couldn't fit them into the YouTube video description box, here are the quotes captioned into my latest video, A Latter Day Re-Gift, where I note the striking similarities between Islam and Mormonism.

Islam and Mormonism Citation Captions:

1.      Names
a.       Muhammad
b.      Joseph Smith

2.      Alone place
a.       Cave
b.      Woods

3.      Name of angel
a.       Gabriel
b.      Moroni

4.      Reestablishing the one true religion
a.       "Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters."   -Surah 3.67

"There is no reproach for the Prophet in that which Allah maketh his due. That was Allah's way with those who passed away of old - and the commandment of Allah is certain destiny - Who delivered the messages of Allah and feared Him, and feared none save Allah. Allah keepeth good account. Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever aware of all things.  -Surah 33.38-40"

b.      "My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.'”  -Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History, pars. 18-19.

5.      Unverifiable
a.       Revelation from an angel that no one else gets to see/hear
b.      Revelation from golden plates that nobody else gets to see

6.      Christians changed the Bible
a.       "And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not norcrucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain."  -Surah 4:157
b.      John 1:1 (ESV, KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (Meaning: Jesus is God)
John 1:1 (Joseph Smith Translation)  In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.  (Meaning: Jesus is not God)

7.      The Trinity
a.       "And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? He saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right."  -Surah 5.116
b.      "We declare it is self-evident from the scriptures that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate persons." -The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent Jeffery R. Holland Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

8.      Justification by grace through faith
a.       "They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary.  The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire."  -Surah 5:72
b.      "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil."  -Articles of Faith, JamesTalmage, (LDS apostle, 1911-33), pg. 432

9.      Good works
a.       "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward."  -Surah 5.9
b.      "We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and  ordinances of the Gospel."  -Joseph Smith's 13 Articles of Faith, Art. 3

10.  Levels of Heaven
a.       Firdaus, 'Adn, Na'iim, Na'wa, Darussalaam, Daarul Muaqaamah, Al-Muqqamul, Amin, Khuldi
b.      Celestial, Terrestrial, Telestial

11.  Higher levels of heaven based on perfect obedience
a.       "Those who spend (benevolently) in ease as well as in straightness, and those who restrain (their) anger and pardon men; and Allah loves the doers of good (to others).  And those who when they commit an indecency or do injustice to their souls remember Allah and ask forgiveness for their faults-- and who forgives the faults but Allah, and (who) do not knowingly persist in what they have done.  (As for) these-- their reward is forgiveness from their Lord, and gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and excellent is the reward of the laborers."  -Surah 3.134-136
b.      "They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given—That by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of the hands of him who is ordained and sealed unto this power; And who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true. They are they who are the church of the Firstborn...These are they whose bodies arecelestial, whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all, whose glory the sun of the firmament is written of as being typical." -Doctrines and Covenants 76:51-54, 70
c.       Pro-polygamy
                                                              i.      "And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four."  -Surah 4:3
                                                            ii.      "And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthoodif any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another,  and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else."  -Doctrines and Covenants, Section 132.61

12.  Division in followers after prophet's death
a.       Sunnis/Shiites
b.      Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints/Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

13.  Change in theology based on political environment
a.       Politically weak in Mecca: Let's be friends, Christians and Jews! ("And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.'"  -Surah 29.46)
Politically strong in Medina: Die, Christians and Jews, die! ("And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."  -Surah 2.191)

b.      Before wanting statehood for Utah: God says we must practice polygamy! (1843 revelation to Joseph Smith)
After wanting statehood for Utah: God says we can't practice polygamy! (1890 Manifesto of LDS president Wilford Woodruff)

14.  Pre-eternity of souls
a.       "And when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam, from their backs, their descendants, and made them bear witness against their own souls: Am I not your Lord? They said: Yes! we bear witness. Lest you should say on the day of resurrection: Surely we were heedless of this."-Surah 7.172
b.      "And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.  And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them; And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads forever and ever." -The Book of Abraham 4:23-26

15.  Mormonism's explanation for why some people are black:
"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient; more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there [pre-existence] received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less. . . . There were no neutrals in the war in Heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits." -Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th LDS President, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:61, 65-66


Amy Schley said...

Just wanted to clarify a point ... The group that followed the son of Joseph Smith is now called the Community of Christ (

And they have about as much in common with Mormons as the ELCA has with historic Lutheranism. :D

Stephen Travis said...

Thanks for the quotations. I've sent this to many people...

Hans Georg Lundahl said...

"Christians changed the Bible"

What was Luther saying about Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Syrach, Baruch, I and II Maccabees?

Or chapter structures of Esther and Daniel or a canticle in chapter 3 of Daniel or prayer of Manasse?